Rank Points up for Grabs

Subject: Rank Points up for Grabs Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:11 pm

We have several incomplete profiles posted by someone who is no longer here. I will give anyone 5000 rank points per profile that they re-do, and make their own. Now the profile must be in correct format and include the required information. The existing profiles can be used as a guide and I'm sure there is some good content that can be used. Then you can repost and take credit, but it has to essentially be your profile and you must come up with your own pic or ask to use one of someone elses, most people will let you use their pics.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:41 pm

Ya talking about the native profiles and others recently posted by a recently banned member? Some of the info is alright, a lot is bogus. My main concern is the pics. I'm not sure a few of 'em may not be copyrighted. I start graveyards tonight; I'll get on it after graveyards, this weekend. I need to get back on updating and cleaning up the profiles anyways, since life is settled down a bit and I've got most of my mental faculties back to normal with the change in my meds.

WYite

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:55 pm

Paul, I as I said in the email do alot of research with fishbase and have their full written permission to use their info and pics however i just have to cite it.

I do believe their info is above and beyond since 95% of their info comes from first hand natural collecting.

I will PM you in a bit with a rough draft profile and you can see if there is anything you want to change or add. I have no issues getting permission.

catfishplanet.com does not allow anyone to use their info so just a heads up.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:56 pm

Guidelines say to submit for approval, Do I just post here FWM Species Profile Submission?

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:00 pm

Thanks WGA. Fishbase is a great resource. I like it myself and use it as a cross reference for different books. IMO it's the most reliable source on the net for fish info and it's not prone to the exaggeration and bias of popular aquarium culture and lore in regards to size, care and other aspects of aquarium species. If you like, you can PM me with the draft for whichever profile you have.

Ivan

BTW Paul, I'm moving all the new profiles into the moderator basket until we can verify or replace the pics. After lookin' at 'em again, I'm certain I've seen some of the plates for the natives somewhere before. That makes me suspicious of all the pics.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:02 pm

Will do, there is ALOT of info on fishbase as well that most people dont know is there, several of their words are links and contain even more indepth info on the species.

I am going to post "the synonyms table" to your PM I think it is the most sticky worthy thing for a fish forum.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:05 pm

One of the things I started to do was add a synonym section to all the profiles with only the valid scientific name listed. Had some personal and health issues that carried me through the past few months, I plan on gettin' back to that very soon.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:08 pm

This is just a breakdown of what it all means not for individual fish.

When I do my profiles ALL known names are listed with Science being first then trade,store ect.

I dont understand how people really know what they are buying in these LFS's, I got mine to have syno AND true common names listed on their tanks. He has sold alot more fish and with greater knowledge to his customers now. Yes an educated shopper is a dangerous being to a store owner however in this hobby its 1000% needed.

The Turtle Whisperer Posts : 1930

If we're redoing the profiles. wouldn't it make the most sense to just scrap the pics that are there?

If you want to still use them I can try and hunt up if any of them are copied and where they may be from. There's a few good search tools for images out there.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:12 pm

Well it looks like you guys have taken this head on... I was talking about keeping the profiles and yes we need to scrap the pics. Ivan, thanks for moving them to the mod basket, don't get overwhelmed, I intend to help and will prob do so tonight and throughout the next week or so. WGA, thanks for the suggestions, I love that you are already helping us out here, that is what we need!

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:47 pm

Hey man, Im in the hobby too and i started out like everyone else, however i started in the pre interweb days and didnt have this vast knowledge at my fingertips.

besides what makes a better one stop shop then having all the info here and now rather then sending people to other sites where they most likely wont return after those first initial posts.

The Turtle Whisperer Posts : 1930

Even with your own forum, you helping here is awesome. Smile

Once indoor migration hell is over, I'm going to try and at the very least get profiles done for all the long term residents here. I'd love to say I'll do a profile a week, but there's a number of babies here right now and I've been filling in on a bunch of the "easy" surgeries while my cohort has the palsy shakes from the lyme meds he's on. (He says they're easy. I near crap my pants doing them)

I have pictures from almost all our rescues here too, so if anyone needs a picture, feel free to ask me. If I got it, you're welcome to use it.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:03 am

WhiteGloveAquatics wrote:: Hey man, Im in the hobby too and i started out like everyone else, however i started in the pre interweb days and didnt have this vast knowledge at my fingertips...

LOL, ditto. Set my first tank up in 1983. Unfortunately this "vast knowledge" can be deceiving at times; it provides a lot of opportunity for misinformation to be spread on a wider scale at a more rapid pace. I also see what I refer to as "pop culture" on various sites. A few charismatic individuals state their opinion or practices and those statements become gospel. I stopped frequenting a site because of that phenomena. All but got myself banned. lAfter 27 years in this hobby, I've learned there is often more than one way to skin a catfish... Wink

WYite

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:12 am

Thats why I am here, too many other forums are biased towards high posting members. I used to street race and it seems fish forums are no different then car forums when it comes to knuckleheads.

Yes there are a few ways to skin a catfish. I usually nail mine to a tree then strip the skin then fillet and fry. hehehe nom nom nom

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:43 am

So is this for anyone to do or not?

I asked about the procedure on submitting for approval and never got answered, the posts in question are moved to some "mod" basket

So is this more for a mod or selected people to do?

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:49 am

Anyone I am assuming, Im not a mod and not selected I joined to help clean up a big mess left and kinda like the place, its not overwhelmingly busy, members are relaxed a bit more then what the fish forum norm is.

I say go for it PM it to a mod/admin and watch it get posted. I think if everyone did a little then alot can be done quickly and correctly.

I do suggest using and citing fishbase.org as their work is the best of the best. Axelrod is another very reputable source to use and cite all works. Including a source link would be great as well as the info can be further solidified.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:23 am

Thks for the reply whiteglove,

I was assuming since the post was made in a general membership forum that it was open to all. I had asked about the submitting process as there seemed to be an issue with the "forum postings" so I wanted to be sure on how they wanted it done and in the case of PM whom should they go to

Maybe I wasnt detailed enough in my posting of the question, either the case not a problem..

I belong to multiple forums that I visit at a minimum of daily but I would agree on how some are run as for every one I visit daily I bet there is 2 or 3 that I have been too once or twice and for whatever reasons never go back to them.

Also thank you for the suggestions I will take a look at them and whatever references I use I will make sure to either link or at least state where the information came from.

My current work situtation, allows me some time to probably do at least one a day and possibly a good deal more once I get the format worked out

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:37 am

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:46 am

I am more then willing to lend a hand, and do it which ever way the "powers" would like it to be done.

Unless I hear other wise I am going to look at starting with species that I am looking to be setting up tanks for sometime in the near future but also have no problem taking or even being assigned a section and working my way through it.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:45 pm

WB - Right now the profiles in question have been moved to the mod folder (only mods & admin can see them). I don't see a problem with PMing you a profile and letting you work on it and make it your own. You could also (as you stated) work on profiles of fish that you are keeping or plan to keep. Just take a look at the current profiles first to make sure you are not duplicating effort.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:50 pm

Sorry to not get back to you sooner WB, We will PM you the profiles as you ask for them each one you do you will get 5000 rank points for. You can then post them to the profile submission forum once you are done.

Here is what we want them to have:
http://www.freshwatermadness.com/fwm-species-profile-submission-f81/species-profile-guidelines-please-read-t822.htm

Also as dawg said please look and see what ones are already done, and we appreciate your entheusiaum.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:05 pm

that helps alot MC. ALot. I was wondering on which format to use when sending them in for editing.

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:09 pm

No Problems here was just wondering and as stated more then willing to help, I did take a quick look at the profile section.

I have already looked at the posting guidelines that was posted and setup an "offline" template from that which includes a source section on the bottom.

For now I am going to plan on working on few from the species that I am going to be setting a tank up for have to do the research either way.

If there is something that you (or anyone) needs/wants just let me know.

Just going to throw this out there, I was thinking on the same lines as wga a couple posts up about working on a section at a time so no one is working on the same profiles

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:28 pm

wboyden wrote:: Thks for the reply whiteglove,

I was assuming since the post was made in a general membership forum that it was open to all. I had asked about the submitting process as there seemed to be an issue with the "forum postings" so I wanted to be sure on how they wanted it done and in the case of PM whom should they go to

Maybe I wasnt detailed enough in my posting of the question, either the case not a problem..

I belong to multiple forums that I visit at a minimum of daily but I would agree on how some are run as for every one I visit daily I bet there is 2 or 3 that I have been too once or twice and for whatever reasons never go back to them.

Also thank you for the suggestions I will take a look at them and whatever references I use I will make sure to either link or at least state where the information came from.

My current work situtation, allows me some time to probably do at least one a day and possibly a good deal more once I get the format worked out

Yup, open to everybody.

The American flagfish profile in the current profiles is one that I have updated to the format we are using. If you would like a template that is a good one to use. lease put the scientific name in italics, and please do not capitalize the species name.

I need to update the profile format that MC linked to, I added a couple of things and separated a couple of things when I started editing and updating profiles. I forgot that template was there. The main change is the separation of scientific names into the valid name and a separate section for all junior synonyms and invalid synonyms used.

Submit to the profile submissions forum for review, Bill.

Thank you,

Ivan

Subject: Re: Rank Points up for Grabs Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:31 pm

wboyden wrote:: I am more then willing to lend a hand, and do it which ever way the "powers" would like it to be done.

Unless I hear other wise I am going to look at starting with species that I am looking to be setting up tanks for sometime in the near future but also have no problem taking or even being assigned a section and working my way through it.

LOL, "powers" that be... No powers here, just a bunch of good ol' boys that like our critters. Wink

WYite

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