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Iaan
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PostSubject: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptySun Jun 26, 2011 5:21 am

Hi all

I baught a 250 litre tank this week. With the tank came one fantale gold fish and two placostumeses. I want to stoke the tank with African cichlits, I know the gold fish is not a warm water fish. I feel sorry for the gold fish. It is about 4 inches in size ther must be sumthing wrong with it's eyes it seems as if there is a dul membrain covering it eyes. It seems happy in the tank.Will it fit with the cichlits? My other tank is a 100 litre tank. It is to big fore that tank. what to do?



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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyMon Jun 27, 2011 2:36 am

Hello Iaan, welcome to Freshwater Madness!

Your goldfish will not be okay with African cichlids. The cichlids are way too aggressive. Even if they don't kill the goldfish outright, they'll shred the goldfish's fins and harass it to death in short order. The goldfish will need another tank or you will need to find another home for it.

All I can really do is guess at what is going on with the goldfish's eyes. Does the goldfish seem to be able to see alright? If there aren't any signs of disease and it appears to be in otherwise good health, I'm guessing it's a side effect from a previous illness, possibly scar tissue left after a fungal or bacterial infection. I've had fish who end up with a cloudy eye after recovering from a disease. Do you have any idea how old the goldfish is? I have a silver-tip tetra now that is almost four years old and one of it's eyes is cloudy, a side-effect of old age. Goldfish can live a lot longer than four years if cared for properly though, so I doubt that is the issue. If the goldfish is eating well and doesn't show any other signs of disease, I would keep an eye on it for other health issues and treat appropriately if any arise, but wouldn't worry too much about the eyes in the meantime.

Depending on what kind, the plecos will probably be alright with Africans. When first adding the cichlids, watch them and be ready to remove the plecos if they take too much of a beating.

Glad to have ya here, keep us posted on how things turn out and how the cichlid tank comes along.

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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyMon Jun 27, 2011 5:50 am

Hi thanks for the welcome

I ask the previous owner of the tank about the gold fish. He got the gold fish like that big 4 years ago he don't know how old the gold fish is. The placo's is 4 years and 3years . I want to past 'n photograph but I don't know how. Let me know how

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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyMon Jun 27, 2011 7:17 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyTue Jun 28, 2011 6:38 am

Hi I an going to try to put a photo of my new tank on this post my 250litre tank[url][/url]
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyTue Jun 28, 2011 6:54 am

His is The goldfish I was asking about
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyTue Jun 28, 2011 7:34 pm

Nice looking tank! That fish may out grow the 250L (66G) tank and will likely be too big for the 100L tank too unfortunately. It sounds like a bacterial infection. If the gold fish is doing ok, eating, swimming and not acting too weird just do some small water changes to keep the water nice and clean, a lot of times the eye may clear up on its own. If he starts to get worse you may want to treat it with a anti bacterial medicine, I would suggest starting with clean water and maybe some melafix. As far as the Cichlids the 250L is big enogh but if you want Cichlids you will want to get rid of the goldfish.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyTue Jun 28, 2011 11:36 pm

Great looking tank, perfect for African cichlids!

Sorry, Iaan, the picture is too indistinct to really see what is going on with the goldfish's eyes, though he looks like a nice looking fish. But after the first post, I got to thinkin' and fish can get eye diseases similar to humans and other critters. The description fits cataracts perfectly, as well. Cataracts in fish are usually caused by stress and/or imbalanced diet. They aren't real common, and are usually induced by a fungal infection. So if the fish gets worse and Mostlycichlid's suggestion of treating for a bacterial infection doesn't work, ya may want to try treating for a fungal infection. Regardless, frequent water changes will be beneficial, and ya may try gettin' a flake food specially formulated for goldfish, if you don't have one already.

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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyWed Jun 29, 2011 2:53 am

Morning guys
Either there is a big difference in time zones or you guys are up very early.

I found a suitably home for the gold fish , one of my colics got a 450litre tank and he is willing to bay the goldfish from me. I don't know what to ask for it. Then I can stock African cichlids like I want to what will you recumbent.

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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyWed Jun 29, 2011 9:52 am

The first thing to do is separate the goldie from the cichlids. That eye may just be an injury caused by the cichlids. I find that my cichlids like to go for the eyes when the fight with another fish. If it doesn't clear up then you could try treating it.
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At the mounent I don't have any cichlits in the tank. I want to stok the tank with African cichlits after I found a other home for the goldfish.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyWed Jun 29, 2011 2:36 pm

Wyomingite you asked about the plecostimushttps://i.servimg.com/u/f41/16/61/89/58/img00317.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyWed Jun 29, 2011 9:05 pm

LOL, I'm 8 hours behind Johannesburg. If it's noon there, it's 4 AM here. Smile Mostlycichlids is the same, Dirtydawg10 is 6 hours behind. Don't know where ya are in relationship to Johannesburg, but there is a pretty big time difference.

The pleco looks like one of the species sold as a good 'ol common plecos. He should be okay with the Africans, but I'd still watch when ya add the cichlids, and when he gets older he may pick off some of the fry if your cichlids breed. He won't intentionally hunt 'em, he'll just scarf 'em up if he stumbles across them. He could easily reach 10-14 inches long, and should be most active at night. Your cichlids (when ya get 'em) will be more active during the day, and he may disturb them at night when he's foraging, but this is more of a problem with delicate species like discus and shouldn't be much of an issue with Africans.

The right eye, the first picture, looks like a bacterial infection, like MC said. The second eye looks like it has been damaged at some point, and doesn't seem to have as bad a film on it (though that may be a trick of the shading in the pic). Even if the film clears up, it's probable that the fish will never have complete vision out of that eye. Not that it will slow the fish down, he can still live a perfectly normal life.

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Yep, I'll agree with what wyomingite said, not much more to add besides you may pass the info on to your friend so he can treat the fish. Tanks look good all in all!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyThu Jun 30, 2011 8:04 pm

One thing that no one picked up on, is that the goldie may be getting picked on by the pleco. I have a common here, that was fairly under fed when it showed up, and I put it in with a few larger comets.

The second night the pleco was here I saw it hit one of the comets and seemed to be trying to eat it, or at least it removed a bunch of scales.
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AAH yep you are right saint a possibility for sure. A few months back my jags got real sick, almost died, almost had to move the sailfin pleco to keep it from trying to suck on the jags.
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Yep. They're usually just mellow, but if they get hungry enough there's trouble. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Help with fish that came with the tank I baught.   Help with fish that came with the tank I baught. EmptyFri Jul 01, 2011 5:23 am

Hi guys
The gold fish's eye is clearing up. I think it was bad water conditions. It's been in the tank now for one week after i bought the tank and cleaned it. The middle of the eye is clear. The outside is still cloudy. Thanks for all the advice you guys have given me. The goldfish will be send to my friend in this week. What African cichlits will you guys recommend for my tank?

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